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What’s a “bad atheist”?

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Ian Murphy has a piece on AlterNet called The 5 Most Awful Atheists, the title of which can be read a few different ways. He could be talking about people who happen to be atheists, who are awful. Or, he could be talking about people who are awful at being atheists. His subheading– Many notable atheists believe in some powerfully stupid stuff, thereby eroding the credibility of all atheists— suggests that he might believe that you can be awful at being an atheist by being an awful person, or at least being a person who believes awful things, or who believes things for awful reasons. Murphy’s article actually conflates all of these things, which is precisely the problem with it. It does, however, work admirably as an illustration of why they shouldn’t be conflated.

In short, Murphy contends that Sam Harris, Bill Maher, Penn Jillette, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali are “awful atheists” because they are awful people– in his opinion. Specifically, they hold personal and political stances that he finds repulsive, which means (to him) that they aren’t rational. And as we all know, “rationalist” and “atheist” are the same thing.

Wait, they aren’t? Could’ve fooled Murphy:

The thing about the so-called “rationalist” movement in America is that disbelief in gods seems to be the only qualification to join the club. Disbelief in a supernatural creator, especially as the movement becomes more popular or “hep,” as I’m pretending the kids say, in no way guarantees rationality in matters of foreign policy or economics, for example. Many notable atheists believe in some powerfully stupid stuff—likely owing their prominence to these same benighted beliefs, lending an air of scientific credibility to the myths corporate media seeks to highlight, and thereby eroding the credibility of all atheists in the long-term. In other words: The crap always rises to the top.

Here’s a thought: From here on out, criticize self-proclaimed rationalists for dropping the ball when it comes to being rational. Say that people who declare themselves to be skeptics are “awful skeptics” when they fail abysmally at applying skepticism in their outlook. Disbelief in a supernatural creator– or more accurately, a deity generally– is all it takes to be an atheist. So saying that Harris, Maher, Jillette, and Hirsi Ali are “awful atheists” because of something you dislike about their thinking which is not a lack of belief in a god or gods is incoherent. They have not failed at being atheists. They may have failed at being rationalists, skeptics, humanists, non-bigots, or just decent people generally, but not at atheism.

Why have I excluded S.E. Cupp from this consideration? Well, because I think she might actually have failed at atheism. I really don’t know much about her– less by far than any of the other people Murphy criticizes– but he describes her as being “self-loathing” as an atheist: “She recently said, ‘I would never vote for an atheist president. Ever,’ because she thinks religion serves as a ‘check’ on presidential power.” The only time I am likely to think of someone as a “bad atheist” is when they don’t appear to actually be an atheist, and/or can’t seem to get his or her mind around the concept. The most recent time that happened was Christopher Beha’s review of recent books by atheists in which he counts himself amongst the “disappointed disbelievers” whose only recourse is to seek simple pleasure in recreational drugs (!) or other transient entertainment in order to avoid or ignore the nihilism to which non-belief logically, inevitably leads. Atheism: you’re doing it wrong.

Hemant Mehta wrote of Murphy’s piece:

Here’s a summary of his list:

  • Sam Harris: He thinks religious profiling might have merit and defends torture in some instances.
  • Bill Maher: He’s misogynistic, condescending, and anti-flu-shots.
  • Penn Jillette: He’s a libertarian.
  • Ayaan Hirsi Ali: She’s practices “neoconservative lunacy” and is excessively anti-Islam.
  • S.E. Cupp: She’s a self-loathing atheist

I’ll give him S.E. Cupp. When it comes to atheism, she’s pretty embarrassing, talking about how she openly wishes she were religious and how she refuses to vote for an atheist. It’s arguable that her atheism, true or not, is more of a schtick she uses to get attention. But the rest of them? Please.

Mehta goes on to discuss the validity of Murphy’s individual objections, and evaluates whether these five people in terms of how much they have done to convince other people to become atheists, which I’d say is more a measure of their individual respective knacks for evangelism. It doesn’t specifically address how good they are at being atheists, because that’s fundamentally silly– you can’t be “good” at not believing in something. Lack of belief has no merit badges, no ranks, no authorities, no governing organizations. There are certainly organizations of atheists, but rising in power and influence within those organizations is not about how strongly you disbelieve (what a bizarre thought), but how good you are at….well, making it more comfortable to disbelieve. Easier. More acceptable. Less like something you’d feel the need to snort a line of cocaine to escape from, or openly disdain in order to curry favor with believers who require the myth of the self-destructive and nihilistic non-believer to be maintained.

It is, by the way, to the benefit of atheists to clarify these distinctions rather than blur them, intentionally or otherwise.  If we don’t pretend that rationalism, skepticism, secularism, humanism, and atheism are all the same thing, then people won’t mistakenly think that pointing out downfalls in one is the same as refuting them all, especially when the downfalls they’re pointing out are restricted to an individual person– intended for some reason to not only represent the entirety of one (non)ideology, but of all of them. That’s an absurd move, one that shouldn’t receive any help from the people it seeks to vilify. So don’t give that help. Pay attention to the distinctions. Recognize that people aren’t packages– they can be exemplary at one thing you admire while failing abysmally at another– and adjust your need for spokespeople accordingly.

Reject them when they don’t speak for you. Don’t let other people assume they do, and then hold you accountable for their failings. And for god’s sake, don’t assume that a person failing in any way somehow reflects on an entire body of people whose connection to that person really has nothing to do with whatever flaw you found. That’s called prejudice, and the people unfairly slandered by it are not the ones at fault.

But what was it actually like?

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Now that I’ve made my strident post for the day, here’s one that will be much less so. I personally didn’t see any, but apparently there was some real misbehavior going on yesterday at Chick-fil-A restaurants, by both supporters and opponents, in various places on Mike Huckabee’s Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day.

A CFO/Treasurer at Vante called Adam Smith no longer holds that role, having been being fired from the company after filming himself berating a Chick-fil-A drive-through employee.

Gay and lesbian employees at Chick-fil-A have had a rough time of it from all directions– they were hit with a barrage of homophobic speech from supporters of Dan Cathy, as well as accusations of supporting it themselves from customers/protesters/protesting customers who assume that working for the company means accepting the beliefs of its owners wholesale. Cathy himself has expressed how very much he would like for this to be the case, but it isn’t. And it isn’t fair to punish workers, especially low-level workers, for what Cathy’s family has said and done:

One gay employee who works at Chick-fil-A headquarters in Atlanta, Ga., and asked to remain anonymous for fear of losing his job, says he is getting it from both sides. On the one hand, there is the customer who came in and said he supported Dan Cathy and then “continues to say something truly homophobic, e.g. ‘I’m so glad you don’t support the queers, I can eat in peace,'” the employee, who is 23 and has worked for Chick-fil-A since he was 16, wrote in an email. On the other hand, he continued, “I was yelled at for being a god-loving, conservative, homophobic Christian while walking some food out to a guest in a mall dining room.” He disagrees with Cathy’s views, but the reaction from the public has been just as hard to swallow. “It seems like very few people have stopped to think about who actually works for Chick-fil-A and what those people’s opinions are,” he wrote. “They are putting us in a pot and coming to support us or hate us based on something they heard and assume we agree with.” Gabriel Aguiniga, a gay employee at a Chick-fil-A in Colorado, also said the hardest part hasn’t been hearing Cathy’s comments. Instead, “[it’s] constantly having people come up to you and say, ‘I support your company, because your company hates the gays,'” Aguiniga, 18, wrote in an email. “It really takes a toll on me.” . . .”Now, anyone that works there is stuck with a stigma of being homophobic, even when many of us are far from it,” K said. One of her coworkers, who supports same-sex marriage, has had people say things like, “Don’t give me that hate sh*t,” and “I hope you choke on that chicken,” while she was handing out samples. But for K, the hardest part hasn’t been the actions of customers and protesters, it’s the money the company gives to anti-gay groups. “At the end of the day part of our profits still go towards Dan Cathy, and subsequently, all the organizations he supports,” she said. K is now actively searching for work elsewhere. Many of her coworkers, she said, are looking for new jobs, too.

And then….we have this:

I always say I admire Ed Brayton for his ability to document so much political lunacy that requires actually hearing and seeing the words come from the horse’s mouth, because I can’t do it. It’s some combination of horror at the words themselves and a general sympathy for people who embarrass themselves publicly, perhaps, but it makes videos like this one extremely hard to watch. But at least I got to laugh at 5:22-5:30.

ETA: At the Daily Beast, A Gay Chick-fil-A Employee Speaks Out. Excerpt:

We were so busy we nearly ran out of food. We did run out of some things, like nuggets, strips, lemonade, and waffle fries. Though we didn’t have to close early like we feared, by 10 p.m., we barely had anything left. Never before have I been so grateful that I have tomorrow off. Customers sang “God Bless America” in the dining room. They vocalized their support for “family values” in a way that made me want to vomit. We had two protestors outside, and I took five minutes to run out, hug them, and tell them: if I weren’t working here now, I’d be out here with you. They said, “It’s okay, we know what it’s like to have to work for a paycheck.” Hearing that was ten times better than hearing from my acquaintances on the other side of the coin: “How do you work there and still sleep at night, knowing their stance against equal rights?”  I sleep with a roof over my head, which is about all I can ask. I can’t tell you much more about the customers today, because of my limited contact with them. I work in the kitchen, so I don’t see much of the clientele.  What made today so difficult—more difficult than always being behind on food, running out of one thing or another, needing to be in two places at once, etc—was the attitudes of the other employees. No one really stopped talking about the reasons why today was as busy as it was. The people I work alongside kept going on and on about how powerful it was to be part of such a righteous movement, and how encouraged they were to know that there were so many people who agree with Dan Cathy. They went on at great length about how it was wrong not just for gays to marry, but to exist. One kid, age 19, said “I hope the gays go hungry.” I nearly walked out then and there. That epitomizes the characteristics of these evangelical “Christians” who are so vocally opposed to equal rights. Attitudes like that are the opposite of Christ-like.

ETA 2:  I have no comment on this, because nothing needs to be added. But do give it a read.

Bigotry Appreciation Day

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Some photos from the event near me yesterday:

Some 200 people were standing outside in line, and I have no idea how many cars…they were winding around the block. Police officers were directing traffic. I parked across the street and walked over to have a look around, and noticed several people with the same idea– not just walking away with bags of Chick-fil-A food, but multiple bags. Each one looked like he or she was getting food for an entire family. My own appetite was gone– the sight of so many people happily, gleefully showing up to support the donation of over $5 million to groups that not only want to prevent gay marriage but make homosexuality illegal again turned my stomach. I’d thought I might go somewhere else and have a chicken sandwich, but even that didn’t sound like a good idea anymore. 
Every last person I saw was white and rather affluently dressed, and arrived in a nice car. Nobody looked as though a lightness of their pocketbook was forcing them to come here– quite the opposite, in fact. Poor Chick-fil-A has been “attacked” by people who believe in marriage equality choosing not to eat there anymore, so by golly it’s time to eat some chicken and show those non-homophobes what’s what! 
Two of my favorite tweets from yesterday:
But my favorite explanation of why the word “bigot” is appropriate for the people in those pictures above comes from Jen McCreight:

So you were just called a bigot I know your feelings are hurt. No one wants to be called a bigot, right? But before you do something silly like scream “FREE SPEECH” or say I’m the bigot, let’s rewind a bit. Chick-Fil-A has funneled millions of dollars toward certified hate groups in order to fund campaigns that depict gay people as pedophiles, fight against “gay behavior” and the legalization of same-sex marriage, and support dangerous “pray away the gay” programs. They also used their profits to support Uganda’s “Kill the Gays” bill. When I first found out about these atrocious things a couple of years ago, I stopped eating at Chick-Fil-A (despite how much I love their delicious chicken sandwiches). I did not feel right knowing my money could ultimately be used to hurt GLBT people. I could originally understand why someone wouldn’t boycott an organization that they disagree with politically. I bet there are things I buy that support things I hate, mostly because I don’t know any better, partially because I can’t financially afford to boycott everything. But now that Chick-Fil-A has been in the public eye, you know better. And if you drove to a Chick-Fil-A today to show your solidarity with the organization, you’re not just some random apathetic person who likes a chicken sandwich and doesn’t care about where their $5 goes. You are a bigot. You are saying “I agree with Chick-Fil-A’s anti-gay stance!” And your irrational hatred of gay people is bigotry at its finest.

No, it stemming from religion matters not at all. Religion-based bigotry is still bigotry.

No, Dan Cathy didn’t simply express support for marriage between members of the opposite sex (as if it needs supporting– who is trying to get rid of that, now?). His company has condemned gay marriage and actively fought against gay rights in general.

No, nobody said he doesn’t have the right to believe and say that. If you ate at Chick-fil-A out of some misguided belief that they did, and his right to free speech needs to be supported, your money would have been more appropriately donated to the ACLU.

No, you aren’t standing up for freedom, justice, and equality. You’re buying fast food to support a multi-million dollar corporation which opposes those things. Congratulations.